Planning my system

[Anonymous]

Planning to replace our electronics hopefully next year and doing planning.

Here's what ive came up with.

Pilothouse
-TZTBB connected to two off the shelf retrofitted touch displays along with an MCU-002
-Gp33
-Rd33
-Hub 101
- Nav comp running Maxsea connected to the furuno network
- Two Furuno Fi-2002's ( I have other non- furuno N2k sensors already)
- Two IF-NMEA2k2's (for Heading and waypoint info for the AP)
- VHF that will be connected to GP33 Via 0183
-DFF1
Flybridge

-MFD8
- RD33

Above Decks
- DRS4D
-DRS25A
- 200WX
- SC30
(Only reason i have an MFD8 is because i got a good deal on it)
A couple questions,
Will the DFF1 info be available to the MFD8, TZTBB, and Maxsea?
With one Furuno plotter hooked on to the N2k bus will it transfer the data to the furuno network so its available to other devices so they don't need to be connected to the N2k bus?

 

[Johnny Electron]

Will the DFF1 info be available to the MFD8, TZTBB, and Maxsea?

Yes, but the MaxSea would have to have the sounder software option.

With one Furuno plotter hooked on to the N2k bus will it transfer the data to the furuno network so its available to other devices so they don't need to be connected to the N2k bus?

Yes, in this case the MFD8 is the master of this mixed system. I normally don't recommend building a mixed system as a new install. With a Mixed system the NN3D is the boss. The MFD8 will be the only unit that connects to your NMEA 2000 bus. You will need to ensure you turn that unit on first every time. You will also need to work within the limits of a mixed system. For example the NN3D and TZtouch systems have different "MAX" levels of points per route. You must follow the rules of the more restrictive (NN3D) or you will have problems.

I noticed you are planning two IF-NMEA2k2 unit for the autopilot. This really should only require one.

 

[Anonymous]

Will the DFF1 info be available to the MFD8, TZTBB, and Maxsea?

Yes, but the MaxSea would have to have the sounder software option.

With one Furuno plotter hooked on to the N2k bus will it transfer the data to the furuno network so its available to other devices so they don't need to be connected to the N2k bus?

Yes, in this case the MFD8 is the master of this mixed system. I normally don't recommend building a mixed system as a new install. With a Mixed system the NN3D is the boss. The MFD8 will be the only unit that connects to your NMEA 2000 bus. You will need to ensure you turn that unit on first every time. You will also need to work within the limits of a mixed system. For example the NN3D and TZtouch systems have different "MAX" levels of points per route. You must follow the rules of the more restrictive (NN3D) or you will have problems.

I noticed you are planning two IF-NMEA2k2 unit for the autopilot. This really should only require one.

Thank you for the speedy reply.
I don't have a problem with the points per route as i'm usually going from point a to b.

So i wouldn't cut any of the wires on the If-Nmea2k2 so it will stay default at 4800bps?

 

[Johnny Electron]

Correct.

What autopilot are you connecting to?

 

[Anonymous]

Correct.

What autopilot are you connecting to?

It's a J300x brainbox with ap20 heads ( There are two totally redundant systems).

It has a HDG input terminal but i pretty sure its for sine, cosine, so I'm just going to use one of the two inputs for heading, and the other for route/ waypoint info.

So what exact problems would i have if i connected both TZTBB and MFD8 to the N2k backbone?

 

[Anonymous]

Oh and it would be Maxsea Explorer.

 

[Johnny Electron]

Even MaxSea Explorer would require the sounder add-on option for you to see the sounder.

I think it is port 2 of the J300x that puts out heading updates at a faster rate on the pilot. I recommend you use that port to drive heading into your IF-NMEA2k2. You can always verify that with Simrad.

If you connect both the TZT and the 3D to the same NMEA 2000 backbone, you will create a cascading data loop and cause all sorts of ugly system problems. Not as bad as putting your wet hands into an AC outlet, but I still wouldn't recommend it. :wink7

 

[Anonymous]

Even MaxSea Explorer would require the sounder add-on option for you to see the sounder.

I think it is port 2 of the J300x that puts out heading updates at a faster rate on the pilot. I recommend you use that port to drive heading into your IF-NMEA2k2. You can always verify that with Simrad.

If you connect both the TZT and the 3D to the same NMEA 2000 backbone, you will create a cascading data loop and cause all sorts of ugly system problems. Not as bad as putting your wet hands into an AC outlet, but I still wouldn't recommend it. :wink7

But i want to Input the SC-30 heading data to the AP.

 

[Anonymous]

Johnny, also does the SC30 need any initial calibration, if so what are the procedures?

 

[Melville]

With apologies to Johnny I am going to put my 2 cents in to this thread.
You would be well advised to replace the MFD8 that you got a good deal on with a TZT9.
Creating a mixed system with three different products, (TZT, 3D, & Max Sea), has been problematic in my experiences. Going to the Flying Bridge to turn on the MFD8 first will get old fast.

I'll leave it to Johnny to advise you on the technical side, but you really should consider the TZT9 instead of the MFD8.

 

[Johnny Electron]

If the SC30 is mounted squarely on the boat normally there is nothing additional required. If you find the heading is slightly off and requires an offset, it can easily be adjusted at the TZtouch display.

(Agree with Melville)

 

[Anonymous]

Would it still be possible use the charts i bought for the MFD8?

 

[Anonymous]

Also will the TZT/ NN3D MFD's see a 200WX as a heading source?

 

[Johnny Electron]

Charts are licensed to the machine not the person. If the MFD8 and TZtouch are on the same network, it is possible to have shared chart license because they are part of the same system (network). If the MFD8 is used on a different boat or sold, so goes the charts that are assigned to it. There is a bit of an exception to this rule if you are running MaxSea TZ Explorer or the Nobeltec equivalent software due to a cross licensing agreement. You can find some previous discussions concerning this on the forum or contact our tech support directly.

Yes, the TZtouch/NN3D can see the 200WX as a heading source.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh ok. So a TZT9 on the fly-bridge and i'll move the MFD8 to one of the pilothouse dash panels so I'll still have the charts available. I'll just power it up first.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info.

 

[Johnny Electron]

Unless you have a ton of licensed charts on the MFD8 (even then I would still talk to tech support about your MaxSea software and options concerning the charts), I would not keep the MFD8 as part of this network. USA NOAA Raster and Vector and ACE charts are license free. The option is yours but a mixed system design will limit your redundancy.

 

[Anonymous]

So here's what we ended up with. We had budget cuts, but I think i still made out with a vety good system.

-DRS6A
-TZTBB
-Two Mcu-002's (One is in the Master Stateroom)
- Ifnmea2k2
- 3 Fi-2005
-Non Furuno Equipment
- Maretron DSM-150 x4
- Maretron SSC200
- Maretron GPS200
- Maretron WSO-100
- Rogue Pro Long Range wifi bridge
- ViewSonic TD2420



Will i be able to have the Furuno Equipment plugged into my wireless router on the LAN side?

 

[Johnny Electron]

Normally you do not want (not recommended) connect your NavNet network with a network on that boat that might have bus traffic that will prevent the NavNet radar, sounder and other items from talking quickly with the MFD. You can add a Wi-Fi router to the Furuno network to expand the Wi-Fi range for connecting your phone/tablets to the TZT. This is explained in this document from our website. (located under TECH INFO of the TZTBB/TZT14/TZT9)

http://furunousa.com/ProductDocuments/T ... Router.pdf

 

[Anonymous]

Ok, so if i connect the TZTBB to the Router via wifi it'll work?