Engine Data Displayed

Power.Boater

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We are upgrading the electronics on our Cabo 40 flybridge equipped with MAN R6-800 common rail mains. We are considering NavNet TZtouch2 MFD's at the helm. I was unable to find an exhaustive listing of engine data that the TZtouch will display. I've read the install and operating manual and could not find it in either document. Have I missed it or failed to find it? If not, might someone provide an exhaustive listing?
Thanks,
Greg
Huntington Beach, CA
 
Good afternoon Power Boater,

Please see list of NMEA2000 PGN's the TZT2 product can input.

59392: ISO Acknowledgment Field # Field Description This message is provided by ISO 11783 for a handshake mechanism between transmitting and receiving devices. This message is the possible response to acknowledge the reception of a “normal broadcast” message or the response to a specific command to indicate compliance or failure. 1 Control Byte 2 Group Function Value 3 Reserved Bits 4 PGN of Requested Information
59904: ISO Request Field # Field Description As defined by ISO, this message has a data length of 3 bytes with no padding added to complete the single frame. The appropriate response to this message is based on the PGN being requested, and whether the receiver supports the requested PGN. 1 PGN being requested
061184
60928: ISO Address Claim Field # Field Description This network management message is used to claim network address, reply to devices requesting the claimed address, and to respond with device information (NAME) requested by the ISO Request or Complex Request Group Function. This PGN contains several fields that are requestable, either independently or in any combination. 1 Unique Number (ISO Identity Number) 2 Manufacturer Code 3 Device Instance Lower (ISO ECU Instance) 4 Device Instance Upper (ISO Function Instance) 5 Device Function (ISO Function) 6 Reserved 7 Device Class 8 System Instance (ISO Device Class Instance) 9 Industry Group 10 Reserved (ISO Self Configurable)
065280
126208: NMEA - Request group function The Request / Command / Acknowledge Group type of function is defined by first field. The message will be a Request, Command, or Acknowledge Group Function.
126720
126992: System Time Field # Field Description The purpose of this PGN is twofold: To provide a regular transmission of UTC time and date. To provide synchronism for measurement data. 1 SID 2 Source 3 Reserved Bits 4 Date 5 Time
126996: Product Information Field # Field Description Provides product information onto the network that could be important for determining quality of data coming from this product. 1 NMEA 2000 Database Version 2 NMEA Manufacturer's Product Code 3 Manufacturer's Model ID 4 Manufacturer's Software Version Code 5 Manufacturer's Model Version 6 Manufacturer's Model Serial Code 7 NMEA 2000 Certification Level 8 Load Equivalency
127237: Heading/Track Control Field # Field Description Sends commands to, and receives data from, heading control systems. Allows for navigational (remote) control of a heading control system and direct rudder control. 1 Rudder Limit Exceeded 2 Off-Heading Limit Exceeded 3 Off-Track Limit Exceeded 4 Override 5 Steering Mode 6 Turn Mode 7 Heading Reference 8 Reserved Bits 9 Commanded Rudder Direction 10 Commanded Rudder Angle 11 Heading-To-Steer (Course) 12 Track 13 Rudder Limit 14 Off-Heading Limit 15 Radius of Turn Order 16 Rate of Turn Order 17 Off-Track Limit 18 Vessel Heading
127245: Rudder Field # Field Description Rudder order command in direction or angle with current rudder angle reading. 1 Rudder Instance 2 Direction Order 3 Reserved Bits 4 Angle Order 5 Position 6 Reserved Bits
127250: Vessel Heading Field # Field Description Heading sensor value with a flag for True or Magnetic. If the sensor value is Magnetic, the deviation field can be used to produce a Magnetic heading, and the variation field can be used to correct the Magnetic heading to produce a True heading. 1 SID 2 Heading Sensor Reading 3 Deviation 4 Variation 5 Heading Sensor Reference 6 Reserved Bits
127251: Rate of Turn Field # Field Description Rate of Turn is the rate of change of the Heading. 1 Sequence ID 2 Rate of Turn 3 Reserved Bits
127257: Attitude Field # Field Description This parameter group provides a single transmission that describes the position of a vessel relative to both horizontal and vertical planes. This would typically be used for vessel stabilization, vessel control and onboard platform stabilization. 1 SID 2 Yaw 3 Pitch 4 Roll 5 Reserved Bits
127258: Magnetic Variation Field # Field Description Message for transmitting variation. The message contains a sequence number to allow synchronization of other messages such as Heading or Course over Ground. The quality of service and age of service are provided to enable recipients to determine an appropriate level of service if multiple transmissions exist. 1 Sequence ID 2 Variation Source 3 Reserved Bits 4 Age of Service (Date) 5 Variation 6 Reserved Bits
127488: Engine Parameters, Rapid Update Field # Field Description Provides data with a high update rate for a specific engine in a single frame message. The first field provides information as to which engine. 1 Engine Instance 2 Engine Speed 3 Engine Boost Pressure 4 Engine tilt/trim 5 Reserved Bits
127489: Engine Parameters, Dynamic Field # Field Description Used to provide real-time operational data and status relevant to a specific engine, indicated by the engine instance field. This message would normally be broadcasted periodically to provide information for instrumentation or control functions. 1 Engine instance 2 Engine oil pressure 3 Engine oil temp. 4 Engine temp. 5 Alternator potential 6 Fuel rate 7 Total engine hours 8 Engine coolant pressure 9 Fuel Pressure 10 Not Available 11 Engine Discrete Status 1 12 Engine Discrete Status 2 13 Percent Engine Load 14 Percent Engine Torque
127505: Fluid Level Field # Field Description Fluid Level contains an instance number, type of fluid, level of fluid, and tank capacity. For example the fluid instance may be the level of fuel in a tank or the level of water in the bilge. Used primarily by display or instrumentation devices. 1 Fluid Instance 2 Fluid Type 3 Fluid Level 4 Tank Capacity 5 Reserved Bits
128259: Speed, Water referenced Field # Field Description This parameter group provides a single transmission that describes the motion of a vessel. 1 Sequence ID 2 Speed Water Referenced 3 Speed Ground Referenced 4 Speed Water Referenced Type 5 Reserved Bits
128267: Water Depth Field # Field Description Water depth relative to the transducer and offset of the measuring transducer. Positive offset numbers provide the distance from the transducer to the waterline. 1 SID 2 Water Depth, Transducer 3 Offset 4 Reserved Bits
129025: Position, Rapid Update Field # Field Description This PGN provides latitude and longitude referenced to WGS84. Being defined as single frame message, as opposed to other PGNs that include latitude and longitude and are defined as fast or multi-packet, this PGN lends itself to being transmitted more frequently without using up excessive bandwidth on the bus for the benefit of receiving equipment that may require rapid position updates. 1 Latitude 2 Longitude
129026: COG & SOG, Rapid Update Field # Field Description This parameter group is a single frame parameter group that provides Course Over Ground (COG) and Speed Over Ground (SOG). 1 SID 2 COG Reference 3 Reserved Bits 4 Course Over Ground 5 Speed Over Ground 6 Reserved Bits
129029: GNSS Position Data Field # Field Description This parameter group conveys a comprehensive set of Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) parameters, including position information. 1 SID 2 Position date 3 Position time 4 Latitude 5 Longitude 6 Altitude 7 Type of System 8 Method, GNSS 9 Integrity 10 Reserved Bits 11 Number of SVs 12 HDOP 13 PDOP 14 Geoidal Separation 15 Number of Reference Stations 16 Reference Station Type"1" 17 Reference Station ID"1" 18 Age of DGNSS Corrections "1" 19 Reference Station Type "n" 20 Reference Station ID "n" 21 Age of DGNSS Reference Station "n"
129033: Time & Date Field # Field Description This parameter group has a single transmission that provides: UTC time, UTC Date and Local Offset Datum Local geodetic datum and datum offsets from a reference datum. 1 Date 2 Time 3 Local Offset, Minutes
129038: AIS Class A Position Report Field # Field Description This parameter group provides data associated with the ITU-R M.1371 Messages 1, 2, and 3 Position Reports, autonomous, assigned, and response to interrogation, respectively. An AIS device may generate this parameter group either upon receiving a VHF data link message 1,2 or 3, or upon receipt of an ISO or NMEA request PGN (see ITU-R M.1371-1 for additional information). 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Longitude 5 Latitude 6 Position Accuracy 7 RAIM-flag 8 Time Stamp 9 COG 10 SOG 11 Communication State 12 AIS Transceiver Information 13 True Heading 14 Rate of Turn 15 Navigational Status 16 Reserved for Regional Applications 17 Spare
129039: AIS Class B Position Report Field # Field Description This parameter group provides data associated with the ITU-R M.1371 Message 18 Standard Class B Equipment Position Report. An AIS device may generate this parameter group either upon receiving a VHF data link message 18, or upon receipt of an ISO or NMEA request PGN (see ITU-R M.1371-1 for additional information). 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Longitude 5 Latitude 6 Position Accuracy 7 RAIM-flag 8 Time Stamp 9 COG 10 SOG 11 Communication State 12 AIS Transceiver Information 13 True Heading 14 Reserved for Regional Applications 15 Reserved for Regional Applications 16 Class B unit flag 17 Class B Display Flag 18 Class B DSC Flag 19 Class B Band Flag 20 Class B Msg 22 Flag 21 Mode Flag 22 Communication State Selector Flag
129040: AIS Class B Extended Position Report Field # Field Description This parameter group provides data associated with the ITU-R M.1371 Message 19 Extended Class B Equipment Position Report containing position and static information. An AIS device may generate this parameter group either upon receiving a VHF data link message 19, or upon receipt of an ISO or NMEA request PGN. 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Longitude 5 Latitude 6 Position Accuracy 7 RAIM-flag 8 Time Stamp 9 COG 10 SOG 11 Reserved for Regional Applications 12 Reserved for Regional Applications 13 NMEA 2000 Reserved 14 Ship/Cargo Type 15 True Heading 16 NMEA 2000 Reserved 17 Type of Electronic Positioning Device 18 Ship Length 19 Ship Beam 20 Position Reference Point from Starboard 21 Position Reference Point aft of Ship's Bow 22 Name 23 Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) 24 Mode Flag 25 Spare 26 AIS Transceiver Information
129041
1290291: Set & Drift, Rapid Update Field # Field Description The Set and Drift effect on the Vessel is the direction and the speed of a current. 1 SID 2 Set Reference 3 Reserved Bits 4 Set 5 Drift 6 Reserved Bits
1290538: GNSS Control Status Field # Field Description GNSS common satellite receiver parameter status 1 SV Elevation Mask 2 PDOP Mask 3 PDOP Switch 4 SNR Mask 5 GNSS Mode 6 DGNSS Mode 7 Position / Velocity Filter 8 Max Correction Age 9 Antenna Altitude for 2D Mode 10 Use Antenna Altitude for 2D Mode
1290540: GNSS Sats in View Field # Field Description GNSS information on current satellites in view tagged by sequence ID. Information includes PRN, elevation, azimuth, SNR, defines the number of satellites; defines the satellite number and the information. 1 SID 2 Mode 3 Reserve Bits 4 Number of SVs 5 PRN "1" 6 Elevation "1" 7 Azimuth "1" 8 SNR "1" 9 Range Residuals 1 10 PRN Status "1" 11 Reserved Bits 12 PRN "n" 13 Elevation "n" 14 Azimuth "n" 15 SNR "n" 16 Range Residuals "n" 17 PRN Status "n" 18 Reserved Bits
129793: AIS UTC and Date Report Field # Field Description This parameter group provides data from ITU-R M.1371 message 4 Base Station Report providing position, time, date, and current slot number of a base station, and 11 UTC and date response message providing current UTC and date if available. An AIS device may generate this parameter group either upon receiving a VHF data link message 4 or 11, or upon receipt of an ISO or NMEA request PGN. 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Longitude 5 Latitude 6 Position accuracy 7 RAIM-flag 8 NMEA 2000 Reserved 9 Position time 10 Communication State 11 AIS Transceiver Information 12 Position Date 13 NMEA 2000 Reserved 14 Type of Electronic Positioning Device 15 Spare
129794: 4 AIS Class A Static and Voyage Related Data Field # Field Description This parameter group provides data associated with the ITU-R M.1371 Message 5 Ship Static and Voyage Related Data Message. An AIS device may generate this parameter group either upon receiving a VHF data link message 5, or upon receipt of an ISO or NMEA request PGN. 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 IMO 5 Call Sign 6 Name 7 Ship/Cargo Type 8 Ship Length 9 Ship Beam 10 Position Reference Point from Starboard 11 Position Reference Point aft of Ship's Bow 12 Estimated Date of Arrival 13 Estimated Time of Arrival 14 Draft 15 Destination 16 AIS Version 17 Type of Electronic Positioning Device 18 Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) 19 Spare 20 AIS Transceiver Information
129798: AIS SAR Aircraft Position Report Field # Field Description This parameter group provides data associated with the ITU-R M.1371 Message 9 SAR Aircraft Position Report Message for Airborne AIS units conducting Search and Rescue operations. An AIS device may generate this parameter group either upon receiving a VHF data link message 9, or upon receipt of an ISO or NMEA request. 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Longitude 5 Latitude 6 Position Accuracy 7 RAIM-Flag 8 Time Stamp 9 COG 10 SOG 11 Communication State 12 AIS Transceiver Information 13 Altitude 14 Reserved for Regional Applications 15 Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) 16 Spare
129808: DSC Call Information Field # Field Description This parameter group provides Digital Selective Calling (DSC) data according to ITU M.493-9 with optional expansion according to ITU M.821-1. DSC is a paging system that is used to automate distress alerts sent over terrestrial communication systems such as VHF, MF and HF marine radio systems. DSC provides a mechanism to report significantly more information regarding a distress call rather than just the distress itself. Products equipped with DSC will transmit and receive this information. 1 DSC Format Symbol 2 DSC Category Symbol 3 DSC Message Address 4 Nature Of Distress or 1st Telecommand 5 Subsequent Communication Mode or 2nd Telecommand 6 Proposed Rx Frequency/Channel 7 Proposed Tx Frequency/Channel 8 Telephone Number 9 Latitude of Vessel Reported 10 Longitude of Vessel Reported 11 Time of Position 12 MMSI Of Ship In Distress 13 DSC EOS Symbol 14 Expansion Enabled 15 Reserved Bits 16 Calling Rx Frequency/Channel 17 Calling Tx Frequency/Channel 18 Time of Receipt/Transmission 19 Date of Receipt/Transmission 20 DSC Equipment Assigned Message ID 21 DSC Expansion Field Symbol 22 DSC Expansion Field Data 23 Variable Number Of Fields, Field 21 Repeated, Expansion Field Type 24 Variable Number Of Fields, Field 22 Repeated, Expansion Field Data
129809: AIS Class B "CS" Static Data Report, Part A Field # Field Description This parameter group is used by Class B "CS" shipborne mobile equipment each time Part A of ITU-R M.1372 Message 24 is received. 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Name
129810: AIS Class B "CS" Static Data Report, Part B Field # Field Description This parameter group is used by Class B "CS" shipborne mobile equipment each time Part B of ITU-R M.1372 Message 24 is received. 1 Message ID 2 Repeat Indicator 3 User ID 4 Type of Ship and Cargo 5 Vendor ID 6 Call Sign 7 Ship Length 8 Ship Beam 9 Reference Point Position from Starboard 10 Reference Point Position Aft of Bow 11 Mother Ship MMSI 12 NMEA 20
130306: Wind Data Field # Field Description Direction and speed of Wind. True wind can be referenced to the vessel or to the ground. The Apparent Wind is what is felt standing on the (moving) ship, I.e., the wind measured by the typical mast head instruments. The boat referenced true wind is given by the vector sum of Apparent wind and vessel's heading and speed though the water. The ground referenced true wind is given by the vector sum of Apparent wind and vessel's heading and speed over ground. 1 Sequence ID 2 Wind Speed 3 Wind Direction 4 Wind Reference 5 Reserve
130310: Environmental Parameters Field # Field Description Local atmospheric environmental conditions 1 Sequence ID 2 Water Temp 3 Outside Ambient Air Temp. 4 Atmospheric Pressure 5 Reserved Bits
130311: Environmental Parameters Field # Field Description Environmental Conditions contains Temperature, Humidity, and Atmospheric Pressure. This is a rework of PGN # 130310 and should be used for new designs. 1 Sequence ID 2 Temperature Instance 3 Humidity Instance 4 Temperature 5 Humidity 6 Atmospheric Pressure
130312: Temperature Field # Field Description Temperature as measured by a specific temperature source. 1 SID 2 Temperature Instance 3 Temperature Source 4 Actual Temperature 5 Set Temperature 6 Reserve Bits
130313: Humidity Field # Field Description Humidity as measured by a specific humidity source. 1 SID 2 Humidity Instance 3 Humidity Source 4 Actual Humidity 5 Set Humidity 6 Reserve Bits
130314: Actual Pressure Field # Field Description Pressure as measured by a specific pressure source 1 SID 2 Pressure Instance 3 Pressure Source 4 Pressure 5 Reserve Bits
130316
130577 7 Direction Data Field # Field Description The purpose of this PGN is to group three fundamental vectors related to vessel motion, speed and heading referenced to the water, speed and course referenced to ground and current speed and flow direction. 1 Data Mode 2 Set/COG/Heading Ref. 3 Reserved Bits 4 SID 5 Course Over Ground 6 Speed Over Ground 7 Heading 8 Speed through Water 9 Set 10 Drift
130578: Vessel Speed Components Field # Field Description This PGN provides a single transmission that accurately describes the speed of a vessel by component vectors. 1 Longitudinal Speed, Water-referenced 2 Transverse Speed, Water-referenced 3 Longitudinal Speed, Ground-referenced 4 Transverse Speed, Ground-referenced 5 Stern Speed, Water-referenced 6 Stern Speed, Ground-referenced


Kind Regards,

C-Bass
 
C-Bass - thank you. Your reply is extremely helpful. At the risk of asking the obvious is it safe to assume that if the PGN is listed it can be displayed?
Thanaks again,
Greg
 
Good afternoon Power Boater,

That is a good question, not necessarily. I wish I could be more exact, it will take a little more research on our end.

If you could provide a list of data that you are looking to display I should be able to tell you if we can display it and in what format IE: Digital Number, Gauge ect.

Hope that makes sense.

Kind Regards,

C-Bass
 
Hi C-Bass - my questions are focused on the MAN engine data. The OEM displays are famously expensive so the extent of engine data that can be displayed is of great interest. Garmin has a J1939 port and a list of the parameters that Garmin can display is attached. Most important to us are percent load, engine hours, exhaust gas temperature. The Garmin will also pass along certain alarms and even some pre-alarms. I like Furuno gear, have had NavNet on our last 4 boats and would prefer to stay Furuno if I can get comfortable that the 7600 series NavNet will display critical engine parameters. I guess the best way to answer your question is "will the Furuno 7600 series display (preferable digitally) all the data points in the attached Garmin J1939 listing"?
Your thoughts?
Greg Lee
Huntington Beach, CA
 

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I like Furuno gear, have had NavNet on our last 4 boats and would prefer to stay Furuno if I can get comfortable that the 7600 series NavNet will display critical engine parameters. I guess the best way to answer your question is "will the Furuno 7600 series display (preferable digitally) all the data points in the attached Garmin J1939 listing"?

Power boater,
I think you are getting confused a bit. We do not have a 7600 series NavNet. I think you are mixing up the Garmin model with the Furuno model. To answer your question, Furuno follows the NMEA (National Marine Electronics Association) standards to ensure standardization and reliability. NMEA 2000 and J1929 are not the same (although similar) and there are dangers with directly connecting J1929 into a NMEA 2000 network. Furuno units have features others companies don't offer and vice versa. In this case it appears the Garmin allows a direct J1929 connection. Furuno does not allow this for various reasons. If this is the sole feature you require, then it sounds like your choice is clear. Most engine manufacturers offer J1939 to NMEA 2000 interfaces as do other companies like Maretron. This ensures isolation between the two systems and provides the proper NMEA certified sentences. If you wanted to connect your engines to the Furuno TZT2 system it would require such an interface.
 
Hi - You are correct! Too much going on yesterday. My apologies for not proof reading more carefully.
I don't know what a J1929 port is but Garmin does have a J1939 port on some models. Please let me clarify to avoid further confusion. I have no problem with using an interface and will leave the relative merits of having a J1939 port (or J1929 port in your text) to others far more qualified to judge. My objective is to better understand the TZT2 capability to display data coming from my MAN engine control system. Critical to us is the ability to display RPM, % load, hours, exhaust temp (in the MAN case it's before the turbo), engine temp and alarms. Garmin will display some pre-alarms which would be nice but not fatal if not available with TZT2.
To be clear, a J1939 port is not the feature we seek,it's the ability to display (preferably digitally) critical data sourced from the MAN control system. So let me try asking my original question again - what MAN engine data can be displayed on the TZT2?
Your thoughts?
Greg Lee
Huntington Beach, CA
 
What engine infomation that will be viewable depends on many factors. People with Yamaha engines have Yamaha dedicated layouts. https://www.furunousa.com/-/media/sites ... mation.pdf Other engines will be covered by the instrument gages (both graphical and digital) covered in Chapter 10. I will ask Japan for a clear list because I know they have status lights on some of the gages. The TZT2 displays more engine information than any proceeding Furuno system. I will let you know as soon as I hear back.
 
For what it is worth I interfaced my Cat engines to my N2K network using Maretron J1939 Gateways, giving me the ability to display engine data on my TZT2's. The TZT2 allows me to display fuel rate, engine speed (RPM), Boost, Oil PSI, Oil Temp, Coolant Temp, engine load, trim, alternator, coolant PSI, fuel PSI, hours, transmission PSI, Transmission oil temp. I also installed Maretron's tank adapters and can display fuel levels as well. All in all it is a really slick setup as I can see my engine performance, fuel consumption, range, etc all on one large display.

As far as I can tell I can only graphics (gauges) that can be displayed are RPM, coolant temp and oil PSI. Everything else is numeric/digital (see attached photo). I am able to set the range for the graphic/gauge data but I don't think the TZT2 allows me to configure alarm thresholds such as low oil PSI. I am not sure if the TZT2 will show J1939 engine diagnostic messages which would be essential to those who want to eliminate the OEM engine monitors.

I would like to see Furuno expand the graphics to include more gauges and to add alarm thresholds but otherwise am really happy with the setup. I don't know if engine diagnostics messages can be displayed, certainly something that would be important to eliminating expensive OEM displays and cleaning up the dash (maybe Furuno can comment on this).

Take a look at your MAN engine specs to see what information is available on the CAN/J1939 bus. If you can't find the information go out to boatdiesel.com and you may be able to get this list from someone out there. As previously mentioned each engine manufacturer (and in some cases ECU and or SW revision) makes available different J1939 information. The intersection of manufacture data placed on the Bus and what Furuno makes available will determine what you can display.

Good luck
 
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Great insight, very helpful (especially the photo) and useful. Thank you for taking time to reply. Anxious to see what Japan comes back with.
Greg
Huntington Beach, CA
 
Hi Johnny Electron,
If I understand the chart correctly, it appears that the latest version has a much broader array of parameters that can be displayed (second column from the right)? Those listed are great and complete. The one request I would have for the next update is to display pre-alarms and alarms (Garmin will display a limited number). Doing so would make the (very) expensive engine OEM display redundant.
Thanks for pursuing this for me.
Greg Lee
Huntington Beach, CA
 
Thank you. If there's anyway to encourage Japan to broaden the list of alarms (and pre-alarms) please let us all know how. The incentive to avoid relying on the OEM displays (which are notoriously prone to failure and ridiculously expensive) is HUGE!
Thanks again,
Greg Lee
Huntington Beach, CA
 
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